Murray

Last Update: Thursday, March 15, 2007. 6:32pm (AEDT)

Indonesia considers lethal injections over firing squads

By Geoff Thompson

Indonesia is considering abandoning firing squads in favour of lethal injections to carry out death sentences.

Six members of the Bali nine and three Bali bombers are imprisoned in Indonesia, sentenced to death by firing squad.

Before Indonesia's Constitutional Court, Attorney-General Abdul Rachman Saleh argued that as foreigners, the Bali nine's Scott Rush, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were not entitled to have their constitutional case against the death penalty considered because they were not Indonesians.

Speaking at the first formal hearing of Scott Rush's constitutional challenge to his death penalty, Mr Saleh also said he wanted to replace death by firing squad with death by lethal injection as Indonesia's preferred means of execution.
He said lethal injection was more humane.

He argued all forms of punishment, including detention, are against human rights but are legal because the law says so.

Mr Saleh said the Government was discussing the proposed changes with Indonesia's Doctors' Association, but added that he was committed to execution as a punishment for serious drug offences.

"If we abolish the death penalty now in Indonesia we will send a wrong message to the drug traffickers, all drug traffickers will come here," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...3/s1872948.htm

Murray

This was posted by a Bali 9 supporter:

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignpris...ws-usa106.html

Lethal injections are not more humane. The first needle merely causes total paralysis so that the witnesses aren't traumatised by constant thrashing.

Angel Nieves Diaz was executed on the 13th December 2006 in the state of Florida for the murder of a bar manager 27 years ago.

One final appeal to the Supreme Court was made on the grounds that the drugs used for lethal injection in Florida would result in cruel and unusual punishment. Sadly while the Supreme Court rejected the appeal, just hours later at Mr Diaz’s execution these fears would be realised.

Mr Diaz took more than 30 minutes to die after the initial injection was performed and shockingly a second dose of lethal chemicals was required to finally end Mr Diaz’s life. The reason’s for the botched execution were laid at the feet of Mr Diaz himself when a spokesperson for the department of corrections stated it was Mr Diaz’s liver disease which inhibited the ability of the first round of chemicals to have their full deadly effect. Governor Bush of Florida also added that it was Mr Diaz’s illness that slowed his death and assured the public that other executions carried out in Florida this year had been much faster in their effect.

Even from the gurney before enduring 34 minutes of torture Angel Diaz pleaded his innocence one last time.

"The state of Florida is killing an innocent person," Diaz said from the gurney.

"The state of Florida is committing a crime, because I am innocent.

The death penalty is not only a form of vengeance, but also a cowardly act by humans.

I'm sorry for what is happening to me and my family who have been put through this."

Witnessed have recalled moments from throughtout the process including Mr Diaz's body violently jerking, his eyes and mouth opening and closing and movement for atleast 24 minutes of his 34 minute execution. Members of his family required medical treatment for shock following the execution which was finalised when a masked doctor pronounced Mr Diaz dead.

Just who did murder bar manager Joseph Nagy 27 years ago we will now never know, who murdered 55 year old Angel Nieves Diaz is now painfully clear!

Martin Hodgson
FPSS

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignpris...ws-usa106.html

uluru

America still murders prisoners by lethal injection....it's a disgrace to human rights/humanity too.
At least in America though you have to commit some horrific murder/child murder before you get the sadistic death torture treatment from the State, strapped down on a table and pumped full of chemicals that kill you from the inside....with excruciating pain.
They shouldn't be murdering prisoners at all...it's 2007....the 21st Century.
It's all barbaric.......AND.......what if......a prisoner they murdered in their sick rush for "justice"...was actually ......innocent?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

The Faces of Exoneration.

I97 and counting.

..............................

"Fix the System"?......sure:

No1: Abolish the death penalty.

admin

It really does defy belief.

They are freaking murdering people and they want us to believe the method actually makes any difference!!


What seriously messed up world we live in.

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sturuomo

Uluru,
The crimes these sad cases for human beings commit aren't barbaric?
What should we do with these people Uluru? Would you like to take them in and sponsor them yourself? Try and rehabilitate them?
If you remember reading the post by Indy who currently resides in San Francisco stated that not all states have the Death Penalty. Of the few that do it is a long and drawn out process. Prisoners on death row wait for many years before they are executed. The numbers that finally get executed is quite small.
There is no rush for justice. It takes a long time to process. So I don't understand your point?

These types of criminals dont think like you and I. They are opportunists and wouldnt think twice about taking someones life.

Browse thru the list of Offenders and the crimes they comitted and tell me this is murder.

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm

You think the Unabomber, Oklahoma Bombers should be allow to live?
The dirty roughneck that took Peter Falconios life? You think he deserves to live?
How about Ivan Milat? Would you like to take him in and rehabilitate him?

These people gave up their rights to life when they committed their atrocious crimes. They have no right to life in this world. This is the law!

It may not be humane in your eyes but sometimes humans need to make the tough decisions to clean up this world for the majority of law abidding citizens that deserve to keep living in peace and harmony.

It is possible to start a campaign to abolish the death penalty if you can swing enough voters and get elected to change the law.

But considering this hasnt occured in some states in the US, merely shows that the majority of voters believe in the Death penalty. And I don't need to tell you that the majority rules Uluru.

possum

So Stu... you support the Death Penalty then...

Hmmmm

Birth gives you a right to life... and those who take that precious life for granted do not deserve the easy way out... death... over... no more punishment... what did they learn??? Nothing - they're dead!

... and what about the innocent ones who were put to death and later found to be innocent... bit too late to say "whoops... sorry"... can't bring 'em back.

Ivan Milat is a monster who did some terrible things... took away the liberty and lives of many people... their families will never get over their loss... do you think it would make things better for them if he were put to death??? It certainly won't bring their loved ones back.

What does the Death Penalty achieve other than another murder???

possum

Here is the last words of a man before his execution, may he rest in peace:

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/moorejonathanlast.htm

uluru

The crimes are horrific.....they can NEVER be undone...ever....the victims can NEVER live again.
The crime has been committed and the offender caught and tried.
Some cops have lied in court.
Some prosecutors have lied in court.
Some witnesses have lied in court.
Some cops have threatened witnesses into lying, under threat of jail....or worse.
Some withnesses think they saw and heard things they didin't.
Some witnesses seem racist.
Some jurors seem racist.
Some prosecutors seem racist.
The law is an ass.
The DP law is only the law because some misguided, cruel and sadistic people made it so.

uluru trusts no one.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...667839341.html

Fifteen years ago, a judge gave a jury a choice: either Roseanne Catt was "evil and manipulative" or the victim of a monstrous conspiracy.

The jury decided she was evil and found Catt guilty of possessing a revolver and of assaulting, stabbing, attempting to poison and planning a hit on her husband.

Now an acting District Court judge, Tom Davidson, has found evidence that she may have been falsely convicted on unreliable evidence of ...........and his mates, including NSW detectives.

In the report of his inquiry into the case, released yesterday, Judge Davidson found that a former NSW detective, may have planted the gun. And he found evidence that ............, ..............................................,, Mr ............. and Detective ............may have framed Ms Catt on the charge that she spiked her husband's drinks.

.................................................. ...........

and is having NO part of the sadistic death penalty torture/murder idea.

ALL prisoners must be kept alive!

Milat is not going anywhere, he's locked up in the electronic zoo jail.....a jail within a jail.
And he hates it in the cell...absolutely hates it.
Day after day, solitary....too bad... we the State do not murder people any longer in Ozland.
We used to...up until the 1970's.
The world can be "cleaned up" just fine...without the govt man being given the power to murder his citizens whenever he feels like it.
It's called "Prisoner management".

Take one prisoner...take one cell....place prisoner in cell...turn key...prisoner no get out.

Easy.

sturuomo

Once again you stubbornly refer to it as murder. It is no murder. It is an execution which is carefully carried out with due process.

Murder is what the prisoner is normally charged with. Dont confuse the two.

I agree, that in the early old bad days maybe some innocent people of the wrong colour were wrongfully executed, but i think you will find that it is a rare occurence these days (in the US) I cant speak for the Middle East, Africa or South America.
This process is carefully scrutinized.

Yes thats correct, This process is carefully scrutinized.

Personally, I feel it is an insult to the family and all other taxpayers to keep someone like Milat in jail. I would rather that money go to someone fighting for there life in a hospital bed or some poor child in a 3rd world country that deserve a life.

I think you've probably watched the fiction movie "The Green Mile" a few to many times. Nice movie, but totally fiction.

You say the law is an ass? Well my friend, imagine what this place would be like with out any laws. Every man for himself.

Some witnesses, policepersons and judges also tell the truth.

And speaking of racists.....

sturuomo

OK Poss... can you pickup my tax contribution to keep these murderers in jail? I will send the paper work into Dept of Correctional Services and ask for a refund, as you will be more than happy to cover them in prison.

I'll donate my tax portion to a more worthy cause for people that matter instead of burdens on society.

Sound like a plan?