Indonesia considers lethal injections over firing squads - Page 2

uluru · 03-16-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sturuomo

Once again you stubbornly refer to it as murder. It is no murder. It is an execution which is carefully carried out with due process.

Murder is what the prisoner is normally charged with. Dont confuse the two.

I agree, that in the early old bad days maybe some innocent people of the wrong colour were wrongfully executed, but i think you will find that it is a rare occurence these days (in the US) I cant speak for the Middle East, Africa or South America.
This process is carefully scrutinized.

Yes thats correct, This process is carefully scrutinized.

Personally, I feel it is an insult to the family and all other taxpayers to keep someone like Milat in jail. I would rather that money go to someone fighting for there life in a hospital bed or some poor child in a 3rd world country that deserve a life.

I think you've probably watched the fiction movie "The Green Mile" a few to many times. Nice movie, but totally fiction.

You say the law is an ass? Well my friend, imagine what this place would be like with out any laws. Every man for himself.

Some witnesses, policepersons and judges also tell the truth.

And speaking of racists.....

"This process" IS murder...murder by the state.
If I grabbed my neighbour, strapped hiw down on my garage work bench, then pumped him full of garden poisons until he was DEAD...that would be classed as MURDER...and I could get the death penalty for that.

sturuomo · 03-16-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by uluru

"This process" IS murder...murder by the state.
If I grabbed my neighbour, strapped hiw down on my garage work bench, then pumped him full of garden poisons until he was DEAD...that would be classed as MURDER...and I could get the death penalty for that.

Yeah Ok Uluru. According to your law book it's murder.

In most countries (also the one you live in), Murder is the unlawful and intentional killing of a human being by another.

So most other people refer to this process as a death sentence.

And yes if YOU strapped your neighbour to your garden bench and pumped him full of herbicide, there is a 100% chance you would be charged with murder!

And if you were charged beyond any reasonable doubt and awarded a death sentence, an the state agrees you would be sentenced you to death by which ever method deemed more appropriate and agreed by the community upheld by law. So lucky you live in Australia, because you would only get life in prison.
Unless a relative of the victim caught up with you first! :)

uluru · 03-16-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sturuomo

Yeah Ok Uluru. According to your law book it's murder.

In most countries (also the one you live in), Murder is the unlawful and intentional killing of a human being by another.

So most other people refer to this process as a death sentence.

And yes if YOU strapped your neighbour to your garden bench and pumped him full of herbicide, there is a 100% chance you would be charged with murder!

And if you were charged beyond any reasonable doubt and awarded a death sentence, an the state agrees you would be sentenced you to death by which ever method deemed more appropriate and agreed by the community upheld by law. So lucky you live in Australia, because you would only get life in prison.
Unless a relative of the victim caught up with you first! :)

"Murder" = "Homicide with premeditated and malicious intent".
"Homicide" = "the killing of one human being by another".

ie: The death penalty.....is murder.

Homicide...premeditated.

Simple.

admin · 03-16-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sturuomo

OK Poss... can you pickup my tax contribution to keep these murderers in jail? I will send the paper work into Dept of Correctional Services and ask for a refund, as you will be more than happy to cover them in prison.

I'll donate my tax portion to a more worthy cause for people that matter instead of burdens on society.

Sound like a plan?

Yeah we all are prepared to contribute towards keeping them in prison. Thats how it works here in Australia. We don't agree with killing people.

As for plans, If you are the sort of person that kills people first and works out how to fix the problem later then I'd suggest anyones plan would be better than yours.

Killing people doesn't stop people from commiting crimes. Some times crimes are a mistake. What does killing the person actually achieve? You will find many families of victims of murder who dont think the perpetrator should be killed for their crimes. How can you therefore conclude it is the best thing?

Regardless. We dont support the death penalty on this site. We arent here to argue that. Nor are we here to argue that Schapelle is innocent. We already know she is.

possum · 03-16-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sturuomo

OK Poss... can you pickup my tax contribution to keep these murderers in jail? I will send the paper work into Dept of Correctional Services and ask for a refund, as you will be more than happy to cover them in prison.

I'll donate my tax portion to a more worthy cause for people that matter instead of burdens on society.

Sound like a plan?

Hubby and I pay tax too Stu... and we donate money to worthy causes...

The Death Penalty IS Murder...

sturuomo · 03-16-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by admin

As for plans, If you are the sort of person that kills people first and works out how to fix the problem later then I'd suggest anyones plan would be better than yours.

Killing people doesn't stop people from commiting crimes. Some times crimes are a mistake. What does killing the person actually achieve? You will find many families of victims of murder who dont think the perpetrator should be killed for their crimes. How can you therefore conclude it is the best thing?

Regardless. We dont support the death penalty on this site. We arent here to argue that. Nor are we here to argue that Schapelle is innocent. We already know she is.

Killing people doesnt stop them from committing crimes? Are you kidding me?
When someone is dead mate its a bit hard to do anything.
What does it achieve? It ensures society that this sick being will never committ an atrocious act again. This is what it achieves.

Murder a mistake? When is murder a mistake? Rape a mistake? Paedophilia a mistake? Im sorry parents of little girl, I didnt mean to molest her and then slit her throat in the shopping mall toilets, it was a mistake.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...174202009.html

Im sorry mother of teenage son, I didnt mean to break your sons jaw and then stab him in the chest severing his aorta whilst looking for a fight in the railway station.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240558,00.html

Many relatives of murdered victims give unanimous approval for the death sentence, so what is your point.

OK Admin, your opinion that my idea is a bad one? then here's an alternative plan, we'll stick the offenders in your neighbourhood when they're released. Sound fair?

Youre right, this has nothing to do with Schapelles freedom. I was just setting Uluru straight on a few facts from a post he made.

sturuomo · 03-16-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by uluru

"Murder" = "Homicide with premeditated and malicious intent".
"Homicide" = "the killing of one human being by another".

ie: The death penalty.....is murder.

Homicide...premeditated.

Simple.

I give up. It's like talking to a walnut tree.

Zebedee · 03-17-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sturuomo

I agree, that in the early old bad days maybe some innocent people of the wrong colour were wrongfully executed, but i think you will find that it is a rare occurence these days (in the US) I cant speak for the Middle East, Africa or South America.

Oh well that's comforting. As long as they don't make too many mistakes.

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