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Old 03-03-2007, 07:34 AM   #81
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Admin, I don't like DJ's theories but don't think they should be dismissed out of hand. I do not think it hurts Miss Schapelle's chances if some of her supporters have different opinions of what really happened than she does - being innocent as we know she is, she has no way of knowing if it was bungling baggage handlers, corrupt officials, or some other explanation. I would prefer to believe in the bungling baggage handlers. Couple of questions, though:

(1) Using commercial jet planes to smuggle mj from one Australian city to another sems to me very risky. Is there a verified case that you know of where someone has been caught smuggling marijuana in that way? NOT drugs in general, mj in particular. Can you provide a news link?

(2) If there was no conspiracy ( I sincerely hope there was not), then in your opinion who cut the inner bag? And Why?
Actually I think they hurt tremondously. It is far better to have one uniformed theory as to what happened and support that. Especially if it is the same theory that is suggested by Schapelle herself. I am not for a second suggesting everyone think the same thing, thats ridiculous. WHat I am suggesting is that how can you possibly expect the public to support Schapelle when the people that claim to be the most involved in the case cant even agree on what actually has happened. Furthermore, alot of alternative theories seem to have racist overtones. I absolutely dont think anyone from Indonesia was involved in Schapelle's arrest. If you dont think continually attacking Indonesia is detrimental to Schapelle then think again.
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:51 AM   #82
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The Bali Police did not help themswelves to the marijuana. This is just a story that someone has invented.

The police maintain that Schapelle is guilty and that they were suprised by the siezure. The two policemen who were patrolling the airport when Schapelle's plane landed were the first two policemen to arrive on the scene after customs had discovered the drugs. They immediately started to handle the plastic bag and laughed when Schapelle asked them to stop.

I never found out the names of these two officers although we can assume that since they were on a beat that they would be junior officers. We also know that the Indonesian judicial system requires that two pieces of evidence were required for a conviction.

If these two officers were truly suprised as we are supposed to believe, their greatest fear would be that they would do something to blow the case. We already know that no one has ever been arrested for trying to smuggle marijuana into Indonesia before - one of the world's sources for the drug - so we would expect the police to be over-cautious if anything.

How did these cops know they wouldn't get sacked for destroying Schapelle's fingerprints? How did they know the prosecutor wasn't going to insist on fingerprinting? How did they know that Schapelle's fingerprints were not on the plastic? The only logical explanation is that they were acting on orders. Those orders were that they should handle the plastic in front of Schapelle to establish when their fingerprints appeared on the bag. I believe they planted the drugs into Schapelle's bbb out on the tarmac and should the Australian government insist on fingerprinting, their fingerprints would be discounted.

In short, they knew that Schapelle's fingerprints were not on the plastic and that fingerprinting would not give them the second piece of evidence they so desparately needed.
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Old 03-19-2007, 11:20 AM   #83
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The Bali Police did not help themswelves to the marijuana. This is just a story that someone has invented.

The police maintain that Schapelle is guilty and that they were suprised by the siezure. The two policemen who were patrolling the airport when Schapelle's plane landed were the first two policemen to arrive on the scene after customs had discovered the drugs. They immediately started to handle the plastic bag and laughed when Schapelle asked them to stop.

I never found out the names of these two officers although we can assume that since they were on a beat that they would be junior officers. We also know that the Indonesian judicial system requires that two pieces of evidence were required for a conviction.

If these two officers were truly suprised as we are supposed to believe, their greatest fear would be that they would do something to blow the case. We already know that no one has ever been arrested for trying to smuggle marijuana into Indonesia before - one of the world's sources for the drug - so we would expect the police to be over-cautious if anything.

How did these cops know they wouldn't get sacked for destroying Schapelle's fingerprints? How did they know the prosecutor wasn't going to insist on fingerprinting? How did they know that Schapelle's fingerprints were not on the plastic? The only logical explanation is that they were acting on orders. Those orders were that they should handle the plastic in front of Schapelle to establish when their fingerprints appeared on the bag. I believe they planted the drugs into Schapelle's bbb out on the tarmac and should the Australian government insist on fingerprinting, their fingerprints would be discounted.

In short, they knew that Schapelle's fingerprints were not on the plastic and that fingerprinting would not give them the second piece of evidence they so desparately needed.
The Bali cops, Bali judges, Jakarta judges [so far] haven't seem to care one iota about any of Schapelle's rights...Murray posted at this site the truckload of Indonesian laws they all broke in Schapelle's arrest and trial.
Her sentence is one big joke...but she and we are not laughing.

Our govt simply does and says nothing except: "There's nothing we can do, it's the justice system of another country, a sovereign nation."

Pauline Hanson would soon DO something about it, make no mistake...she's the only politician in the country with a steel spine.
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Old 03-19-2007, 11:42 AM   #84
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The Bali Police did not help themswelves to the marijuana. This is just a story that someone has invented.

The police maintain that Schapelle is guilty and that they were suprised by the siezure. The two policemen who were patrolling the airport when Schapelle's plane landed were the first two policemen to arrive on the scene after customs had discovered the drugs. They immediately started to handle the plastic bag and laughed when Schapelle asked them to stop.

I never found out the names of these two officers although we can assume that since they were on a beat that they would be junior officers. We also know that the Indonesian judicial system requires that two pieces of evidence were required for a conviction.

If these two officers were truly suprised as we are supposed to believe, their greatest fear would be that they would do something to blow the case. We already know that no one has ever been arrested for trying to smuggle marijuana into Indonesia before - one of the world's sources for the drug - so we would expect the police to be over-cautious if anything.

How did these cops know they wouldn't get sacked for destroying Schapelle's fingerprints? How did they know the prosecutor wasn't going to insist on fingerprinting? How did they know that Schapelle's fingerprints were not on the plastic? The only logical explanation is that they were acting on orders. Those orders were that they should handle the plastic in front of Schapelle to establish when their fingerprints appeared on the bag. I believe they planted the drugs into Schapelle's bbb out on the tarmac and should the Australian government insist on fingerprinting, their fingerprints would be discounted.

In short, they knew that Schapelle's fingerprints were not on the plastic and that fingerprinting would not give them the second piece of evidence they so desparately needed.
Once again I ask.
What is the logic behind someone stashing 4.1 kgs of cannabis into the luggage of an arriving tourist into Bali?? What is the motive?

Why would they want to setup an unknown female with no political status. No celebrity status. For what reason? Just for money? or to sentence her for 20years?
Highly unlikely.

Those of you who say it was to bribe her for a nice sum of money. Why would they when they couldve sold the 4.1 kilos of cannabis for alot more.

Unless the 2 young policemen were involved in a master plan of extortion, and organised for an accomplice to stash the gear into any anglo travellers luggage for a staged sting. If so, where did they get the aussie grown cannabis from?
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Old 03-19-2007, 11:48 AM   #85
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The Bali cops, Bali judges, Jakarta judges [so far] haven't seem to care one iota about any of Schapelle's rights...Murray posted at this site the truckload of Indonesian laws they all broke in Schapelle's arrest and trial.
Her sentence is one big joke...but she and we are not laughing.

Our govt simply does and says nothing except: "There's nothing we can do, it's the justice system of another country, a sovereign nation."

Pauline Hanson would soon DO something about it, make no mistake...she's the only politician in the country with a steel spine.
Umm doesnt she need to get elected first? She's just a candidate at the moment.
Unfortunately she doesn't have much credibilty.
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:46 PM   #86
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I will be very surprised If she doesnt rattle a few politicians,She had a few running scared the last time.(Preference votes remember?) She really didn't stand a chance. I think we need a few more like her,maybe something would get done? She will get my vote.:)
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I will be very surprised If she doesnt rattle a few politicians,She had a few running scared the last time.(Preference votes remember?) She really didn't stand a chance. I think we need a few more like her,maybe something would get done? She will get my vote.:)
Really? What are her economic policies? What qualifications does she have?
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Tell me this what qualifications does any of our politicians have? They all seem to get it wrong.Promise this and that. But Ill tell you one thing I would much rather have Mr Howard in government than Labour anyday. You only have to look at the mess Mr Hawke and Mr Keating left,to know which one would be the better. they feathered there own nest so to speak. I think Pauline would do a pretty good job, if she got in. Some of her ideas make sense.She is concerned about a lot of the refugees coming into the country caring diseases, they should be checked before they are allowed to work out here. I really think we need more women in politics, Pauline gets my vote. Men in politics have had it far too easy for too long. They need Women to stir the pot up a bit.:D
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Tell me this what qualifications does any of our politicians have? They all seem to get it wrong.Promise this and that. But Ill tell you one thing I would much rather have Mr Howard in government than Labour anyday. You only have to look at the mess Mr Hawke and Mr Keating left,to know which one would be the better. they feathered there own nest so to speak. I think Pauline would do a pretty good job, if she got in. Some of her ideas make sense.She is concerned about a lot of the refugees coming into the country caring diseases, they should be checked before they are allowed to work out here. I really think we need more women in politics, Pauline gets my vote. Men in politics have had it far too easy for too long. They need Women to stir the pot up a bit.:D
Are you kidding ??

John Howard was a solicitor, Studied Law at Sydney University.
He was elected to the House of Representatives as the Member of Parliament for the Sydney suburban seat of Bennelong at the Federal election in May 1974. When Malcolm Fraser's government came to power in December 1975, Howard was appointed Minister for Business and Consumer Affairs, and in December 1977 he was appointed Treasurer at the age of 38, for which appointment he became known as "the boy Treasurer". In April 1982 he was elected Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.

Pretty good credentials to run a country dont you think?

Peter Costello attended Melbourne's Monash University, where he graduated in arts and law. During the 1980s Costello became a well-known and frequently briefed junior barrister, representing employers in some of the best known industrial relations cases. He became counsel to the National Farmers' Federation and to organisations representing small business. Costello made his name in the 1985 Dollar Sweets case, as junior counsel assisting Alan Goldberg QC, successfully representing a confectionery company involved in a bitter industrial dispute. In the late 1980s he was identified as part of the New Right movement, which was organised to some extent in the H. R. Nicholls Society, a political discussion group focused on workplace relations of which he was a founding member.

Been in Power for what over ten years and has turned the country around. Low inflation and low unemployment.

Tony Abbott graduated from the University of Sydney with a Bachelor of Economics (BEc) and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB). At university he was active in student politics, gaining media attention for his political stance opposing the then dominant left-wing student leadership. He was also a prominent student boxer. He then went on to attend the University of Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar and graduated with a Master of Arts (MA). A devout Catholic, he then considered the Catholic priesthood, and entered St Patrick's diocesan seminary in Sydney, but subsequently decided to leave and choose another career path.

Abbott was elected to the Australian House of Representatives at a by-election in March 1994.

Should I go on?

Everyone cans these guys, but they didnt come up through the ranks via a Trade Union. They did it the hard way.

Find me better experienced people to run this country and I will vote for them.

These guys have been democratically elected in our country and they deserve respect.

I agree with you Janie, I see no good coming out of the ALP. I don't trust Kevin Rudd to run this country or his group of shadow ministers.

Australia hasnt seen this good an economy for a long while.

Im sorry but, I don't think Pauline Hanson has got what it takes to run a country either.
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Politics! Oh don't go there...

We will have some mighty vicious posts if we start talking about our political preferences :D

Lets just drop the political preference discussion and talk Schapelle :)

Good post by the way Stu... quite informative.

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