Originally Posted by uluru

http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2003/288/ji-288.html

With the Bali bombing trials continuing, and further arrests this month in Indonesia of alleged Islamists linked to al Qaeda, law enforcement and intelligence agencies are learning more and more about Jemaah Islamiah (JI) the fundamentalist Islamic terrorist group that is alleged to have carried out the Bali bombing of Oct. 12, 2002, killing 202 people, including 88 Australians. With strong links to al Qaeda, JI is now recognised as a serious threat to stability in Southeast Asia. As the trials continue, it is worth reviewing what is now known about JI, including the movement’s goals, ideology, methods and history.

Goals and Origins


Ideological figurehead: JI co-founder Abu Bakar Bashir
JI’s goal is to establish a Daulah Islamiah, an Islamic caliphate, stretching across Southeast Asia, incorporating Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Brunei, the Philippines and parts of northern Australia.

JI is run like al Qaeda, with many small cells operating across the region. The organisation is divided into four mantiqis, each of which is responsible for carrying out operations in different areas. The leader of each mantiqi, according to the confessions of Mohammed Nazir bin Abbas, a JI chief, reported to spiritual leader Bashir every six months, either directly or in writing. JI also has an economic wing, called the iqtisod, which finances its operations, travel for members to Afghanistan and other places for training, the purchase of explosives and also the JI-run madrassas (religious schools). JI has at least four front companies in Malaysia. JI also gets money from foreign charities, such as the Saudi group Al Haramain.

JI’s roots go back to Darul Islam (DI), an organisation formed in the 1940s in Indonesia that fought for an Islamic state in Indonesia. In the 1980s, many DI members, including Abu Bakar Bashir and Abdullah Sungkar, fled to Malaysia to avoid arrest by the Suharto regime. Bashir and Sungkar founded Jemaah Islamiah in the late 1980s. Sungkar went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, where he began fomenting a relationship with al-Qaeda. In 1993, he recrutied jihadists in Pakistan to join his new group, JI. The chairman of this faction, according to Nazir, was Osama bin Laden. Among the members were two of the Bali bombers. Sungkar also sent several JI members to train with al-Qaeda.

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What, you don't think these guys would slip a bag of drugs in an Oz person's bag to cause a huge fuss in the region and try to destabilise Indonesian-Oz relations?
They'd do it for entertainment....anything to terrorise Westerners.

Bashir got 30 months....he's back at his boarding school from whence the Bali bombers sprang...teaching and preaching.

Schapelle got 20 years.

John Howard, Alexander Downer, Tony Baloney, Prince Peter and co just say: "There's nothing we can do".

Bunkum....they could stop giving Indonesia our money, for a start.
They could OBJECT and throw a tantrum about a few things, not just roll over all the time.
AJ on the radio tells our govt they've gone soft, ...that they roll over on their backs and let other countries walk all over us.

www.2gb.com
5.30am to 10am Mon to Fri...have a listen for yourselves.

No, I don't have shares or a financial interest in the station...AJ is a supporter of Schapelle's...one of the few she has in the media...so too are several other of the hosts.
He played an audio tape of Schapelle from the prison a few months ago....when her book came out.

It's now 9pm in Sydney.

He's the man...he's trying to bring Schapelle home too.
You can send him emails...I do...he doesn't bite...nor does the station...they are Schapelle-friendly.
He's very busy...you might not always get an answer....I've told him not to answer my emails, so he can spend more of his time wisely.
He gets the emails though.
He has the ear of the big boss.

Originally Posted by Zebedee

What started Uluru on his terrorist and historical meanderings was Nev's point that maybe the boogie was 'populated' at Denpasar Airport;

My personal belief is that the drugs were slipped into the bag in Bali prior to the boogie bag making it to the pickup area... and the police knew in advance.

Nev

I wondered that too but the problem with that theory is that it's too much. Why put 4kg up when a quarter of that would produce pretty well the same result? Especially as you're probably not going to see it again.

Which further begs the question, why would a young girl lug such a large and bulky amount of drugs around? I've always thought one of the keys to this whole travesty was the shear physical size and weight of the drugs. Next time your in a supermarket pick up 4 bags of sugar.

Like so much of this sad saga it just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by sturuomo

Uluru, where the Bali hell have you been?

An Australian judge has recently sentenced a Lebanese man and a Chilean man to 21 years for coccaine smuggling.

What if they are innocent?

Originally Posted by janie

Hey I wish people would stop being so negative when someone like Uluru makes a reasonable comment. How do you know Sturuomo anymore than Uluru or myself knows about who is behind all of this set-up of Schapelle. It could be jo-blow up the road or it could as Uluru said. I am a 54 year old grandmother and if that was my granddaughter in that filthy pig sty, I would be hoping that someone could come up with a few ideas to help free her. If we are so smart about tossing ideas, how come that poor little bugger is still locked up? Because none of us know what really happened, thats why. So I say , come everyone, put your ideas in here to be read, and hopefully one of us just might come up with the right answer.

Originally Posted by sturuomo

Hey Zebedee...


Why would 9 people strap herion to their bodies and risk the death penalty?

Most suitcases weigh in at over 10kgs ...so what is your point?

Think about it!

Originally Posted by sturuomo

Janie,

Uluru is filling up the forum with speculative trash. He is offending other countries in our region with comments based on no proof.

He implies the media is flawed and can't be trusted but uses the media where it suits his biased opinion.

I don't mind a debate but it must be a fair debate where all the evidence is examined fairly, and not dismissing the obvious.

He refers to movies to argue his point? Movies that are only based on the true stories.

Lets use some common sense people and try and obtain some conclusive evidence.

Stu. :p

Originally Posted by uluru

Why?
The youngest one had been working life out for himself since he was 14...all he could see in front of his eyes was a car.
SR had been on drugs since he was 15 at school...petty crime to get money since.
The girl..how would any girl like to have had her life?...in a world that worships Paris lookalikes....trying to work out who she is.
Her dad said in a radio interview she was the most gullible person he's ever known....she came from a very working class area.
Execute her...uluru would be goin ballistic!!!
The cops ripped her shirt off thinking she was a man...they were shocked and embarrassed when they saw a female body...apologised.
She's been punching the walls inside, breaking her hand [in My Story].
Some wer serving fast food at the footie....recruited by one of the ringleaders..."Free holidays in Bali, not much work" ...co workers rang the radio and said he never left the kids alone...eventually they were talked into it.

Rush and another were recruited in Brisbane...met the guy in a club and went to a unit.
Now they're on death row.
Indonesia can and probably will execute them....Singapore got away with it.
Indonesia is way different.
Can they afford to go killing , murdering, our kids in cold blood?

That's likely to inspire a rush of tourists....NOT.

Why the Bali hell is the joint empty?....coulda been those dead bodies slumped on the old dirty truck, as were shown the bodies of Barlow and Chambers after they were excuted by Malaysia.
PM Hawke went off...called them barbaric...got rooolly angry.
Malaysia/Australia relations have just recovered...after 20 years.

A radio host said he went to a northern beaches school the other day as his high school daughter had some function.
He said all the girl students were Paris lookalikes!

10kgs?
Mrs uluru's case is always 20kgs...always got the heavy sticker on it and dents in the corner where the baggage handlers throw it in anger....then we have to have it repaired by the airline and delivered to home!
It actually starts off at 25kgs...she sits on it to shut it...then I weigh it...and we start taking stuff out.
LOL.

Because I'm such a good husband I then find some room in my case for some of the stuff, but not all.
Last time she got it right first time...right on 20kgs.
Success!

NO WAY are we taking cases overseas that have to go in the hold of the aircraft for someone to slip drugs into.
Cabin bags and money we'll be taking....7kg limit....lol.