My thoughts are swaying! - Page 2

sturuomo · 02-26-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by uluru

My money is on Jemaah Islamyah terrorists and/or their supporters [20 million in Indonesia] to attack Westerners and enslave them all in prisons...Jihad.

or Bali cops who were laughing at Schapelle.....and at her lawyers outside the courthouse after her sentence..........also to capture a Western trophy prize, to justify their jobs.

OR it could simply have been missed by corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney airport, having been sent by organised crime figures.."grass castle" mafia gurus in Qld.

Think there's no grass castle mafia in Ozland?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Mackay

Donald Mackay (13 September 1933 - 15 July 1977), was an Australian anti-drugs campaigner who came to fame in 1977 through the circumstances of his presumed abduction and murder.

Concerned about the growing drug trade in his local area, and learning of a large crop of marijuana in nearby Coleambally, Mackay informed Sydney drug squad detectives, resulting in several arrests and the conviction of four men of Italian descent.

Unfortunately for Mackay, at the trial of the men arrested, his name was read out during evidence, identifying him as the whistleblower.
On July 15, 1977, Mackay disappeared from a hotel car park after having drinks with friends and has never been found.

This is hilarious. Jemaah Islamyah Now. Schapelle is a notable target dont you think.

uluru · 02-26-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sturuomo

This is hilarious. Jemaah Islamyah Now. Schapelle is a notable target dont you think.

http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2003/288/ji-288.html

With the Bali bombing trials continuing, and further arrests this month in Indonesia of alleged Islamists linked to al Qaeda, law enforcement and intelligence agencies are learning more and more about Jemaah Islamiah (JI) the fundamentalist Islamic terrorist group that is alleged to have carried out the Bali bombing of Oct. 12, 2002, killing 202 people, including 88 Australians. With strong links to al Qaeda, JI is now recognised as a serious threat to stability in Southeast Asia. As the trials continue, it is worth reviewing what is now known about JI, including the movement’s goals, ideology, methods and history.

Goals and Origins

Ideological figurehead: JI co-founder Abu Bakar Bashir
JI’s goal is to establish a Daulah Islamiah, an Islamic caliphate, stretching across Southeast Asia, incorporating Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Brunei, the Philippines and parts of northern Australia.

JI is run like al Qaeda, with many small cells operating across the region. The organisation is divided into four mantiqis, each of which is responsible for carrying out operations in different areas. The leader of each mantiqi, according to the confessions of Mohammed Nazir bin Abbas, a JI chief, reported to spiritual leader Bashir every six months, either directly or in writing. JI also has an economic wing, called the iqtisod, which finances its operations, travel for members to Afghanistan and other places for training, the purchase of explosives and also the JI-run madrassas (religious schools). JI has at least four front companies in Malaysia. JI also gets money from foreign charities, such as the Saudi group Al Haramain.

JI’s roots go back to Darul Islam (DI), an organisation formed in the 1940s in Indonesia that fought for an Islamic state in Indonesia. In the 1980s, many DI members, including Abu Bakar Bashir and Abdullah Sungkar, fled to Malaysia to avoid arrest by the Suharto regime. Bashir and Sungkar founded Jemaah Islamiah in the late 1980s. Sungkar went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, where he began fomenting a relationship with al-Qaeda. In 1993, he recrutied jihadists in Pakistan to join his new group, JI. The chairman of this faction, according to Nazir, was Osama bin Laden. Among the members were two of the Bali bombers. Sungkar also sent several JI members to train with al-Qaeda.

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What, you don't think these guys would slip a bag of drugs in an Oz person's bag to cause a huge fuss in the region and try to destabilise Indonesian-Oz relations?
They'd do it for entertainment....anything to terrorise Westerners.

Bashir got 30 months....he's back at his boarding school from whence the Bali bombers sprang...teaching and preaching.

Schapelle got 20 years.

John Howard, Alexander Downer, Tony Baloney, Prince Peter and co just say: "There's nothing we can do".

Bunkum....they could stop giving Indonesia our money, for a start.
They could OBJECT and throw a tantrum about a few things, not just roll over all the time.
AJ on the radio tells our govt they've gone soft, ...that they roll over on their backs and let other countries walk all over us.

www.2gb.com
5.30am to 10am Mon to Fri...have a listen for yourselves.

No, I don't have shares or a financial interest in the station...AJ is a supporter of Schapelle's...one of the few she has in the media...so too are several other of the hosts.
He played an audio tape of Schapelle from the prison a few months ago....when her book came out.

It's now 9pm in Sydney.

He's the man...he's trying to bring Schapelle home too.
You can send him emails...I do...he doesn't bite...nor does the station...they are Schapelle-friendly.
He's very busy...you might not always get an answer....I've told him not to answer my emails, so he can spend more of his time wisely.
He gets the emails though.
He has the ear of the big boss.

janie · 02-26-2007, 07:53 PM

Hey I wish people would stop being so negative when someone like Uluru makes a reasonable comment. How do you know Sturuomo anymore than Uluru or myself knows about who is behind all of this set-up of Schapelle. It could be jo-blow up the road or it could as Uluru said. I am a 54 year old grandmother and if that was my granddaughter in that filthy pig sty, I would be hoping that someone could come up with a few ideas to help free her. If we are so smart about tossing ideas, how come that poor little bugger is still locked up? Because none of us know what really happened, thats why. So I say , come everyone, put your ideas in here to be read, and hopefully one of us just might come up with the right answer.

deidre plummer · 02-26-2007, 07:56 PM

Uluru - your quote:-

"What, you don't think these guys would slip a bag of drugs in an Oz person's bag to cause a huge fuss in the region and try to destabilise Indonesian-Oz relations?
They'd do it for entertainment....anything to terrorise Westerners".

Is very wrong. They have bigger fish to fry. I know that you are angry about Schapelle, I am too................do not confuse the issues here.

Terrorism in Indonesia is a complex issue.

JI has a responsibility to become what it started out to be...................family friendly. Unfortunately, it became distorted by outside influences.

Every religion starts out with the purist of motives...........unfortunately, the more people there are in a religion.......the more distorted it becomes.

Become aethiest.......................you'll never look back!!!

Dee:D

Bryan · 02-26-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uluru

My money is on Jemaah Islamyah terrorists and/or their supporters [20 million in Indonesia] to attack Westerners and enslave them all in prisons...Jihad.

or Bali cops who were laughing at Schapelle.....and at her lawyers outside the courthouse after her sentence..........also to capture a Western trophy prize, to justify their jobs.

OR it could simply have been missed by corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney airport, having been sent by organised crime figures.."grass castle" mafia gurus in Qld.

Think there's no grass castle mafia in Ozland?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Mackay

Donald Mackay (13 September 1933 - 15 July 1977), was an Australian anti-drugs campaigner who came to fame in 1977 through the circumstances of his presumed abduction and murder.

Concerned about the growing drug trade in his local area, and learning of a large crop of marijuana in nearby Coleambally, Mackay informed Sydney drug squad detectives, resulting in several arrests and the conviction of four men of Italian descent.

Unfortunately for Mackay, at the trial of the men arrested, his name was read out during evidence, identifying him as the whistleblower.
On July 15, 1977, Mackay disappeared from a hotel car park after having drinks with friends and has never been found.

Mackay's disappearance led to then-premier Neville Wran appointing Justice Philip Woodward to lead the Woodward Royal Commission into the illegal drug trade in New South Wales. In 1979, Woodward found that Mackay had been murdered by a hit man acting on instructions from the The Honoured Society, a Griffith-based cell of the Mafia, known in Italy as the 'Ndrangheta.

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The Woodward Royal Commission?

Yikes!

You oughta read that sometime!

Speak out against organised crime figures in the drug trade?....er, no thanx.

Looks like no one else is game to either.
Someone knows where the drugs came from....they didn't just fly into the bag.

You go Dee, you're right again

FYI I covered up poor old Justice Woodwards dead body with a sheet when he died in a crash years ago

And yes i doubt that every persons individual baggage weight would be kept, only the total

deidre plummer · 02-26-2007, 08:08 PM

Janie - your quote:

"Hey I wish people would stop being so negative when someone like Uluru makes a reasonable comment. How do you know Sturuomo anymore than Uluru or myself knows about who is behind all of this set-up of Schapelle. It could be jo-blow up the road or it could as Uluru said. I am a 54 year old grandmother and if that was my granddaughter in that filthy pig sty, I would be hoping that someone could come up with a few ideas to help free her. If we are so smart about tossing ideas, how come that poor little bugger is still locked up? Because none of us know what really happened, thats why. So I say , come everyone, put your ideas in here to be read, and hopefully one of us just might come up with the right answer".

What a wonderful person you are Janie..........yes, I've written to the best lawyers in Asia.

I do know people that can help.............the problem is that they do not want to be associated with drugs (even if poor Ms Corby is innocent)...................still trying.

Dee

uluru · 02-26-2007, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deidre plummer

Uluru - your quote:-

"What, you don't think these guys would slip a bag of drugs in an Oz person's bag to cause a huge fuss in the region and try to destabilise Indonesian-Oz relations?
They'd do it for entertainment....anything to terrorise Westerners".

Terrorism in Indonesia is a complex issue.

JI has a responsibility to become what it started out to be...................family friendly. Unfortunately, it became distorted by outside influences.

Become aethiest.......................you'll never look back!!!

Dee:D

Jemaah Islamyah "family friendly"?

LOL

One more time for the , well folks who didn't quite grasp the idea the first time.

http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2003/288/ji-288.html

Goals and Origins

Ideological figurehead: JI co-founder Abu Bakar Bashir

JI’s goal is to establish a Daulah Islamiah, an Islamic caliphate, stretching across Southeast Asia, incorporating Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Brunei, the Philippines and parts of northern Australia.
__________________________________________________ ______

They got rooolly when their man was jailed for 30 months.
A popular theory is that one of their cells put the drugs in the bag as payback to Australia for speaking out against Bashir so vehemently.

uluru · 02-26-2007, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deidre plummer

Janie - your quote:

"Hey I wish people would stop being so negative when someone like Uluru makes a reasonable comment. How do you know Sturuomo anymore than Uluru or myself knows about who is behind all of this set-up of Schapelle. It could be jo-blow up the road or it could as Uluru said. I am a 54 year old grandmother and if that was my granddaughter in that filthy pig sty, I would be hoping that someone could come up with a few ideas to help free her. If we are so smart about tossing ideas, how come that poor little bugger is still locked up? Because none of us know what really happened, thats why. So I say , come everyone, put your ideas in here to be read, and hopefully one of us just might come up with the right answer".

What a wonderful person you are Janie..........yes, I've written to the best lawyers in Asia.

I do know people that can help.............the problem is that they do not want to be associated with drugs (even if poor Ms Corby is innocent)...................still trying.

Dee

None of us knows, Schapelle had hotshot Hotman on her case...supposedly the silver pistolled white knight...the Indonesian legal expert.
The Indonesian judges are not listening to lawyers, they just dish out whatever sentences suit their mood on the day....to whatever people, and from whatever country.

deidre plummer · 02-26-2007, 09:45 PM

Uluru (probably the most loyal Ms Corby supporter)

You are so wrong. If you live in Indonesia you will see what is really going on.

I'm not being rude.......and I do so admire your loyalty to Schapelle, but in these instances you are sooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong.

Laugh as much as you like, the Indonesians know what I'm talking about.

Schapelle can get off with good lawyers..................I kid you not!!!!

Your world is dangerously different and it scares me how ignorant some Australians can be. I wish that you could all be wrapped up in cotton wool and protected................but sometimes your ignorance breeds CONTEMPT.

Dee

Zebedee · 02-26-2007, 11:22 PM

What started Uluru on his terrorist and historical meanderings was Nev's point that maybe the boogie was 'populated' at Denpasar Airport;

My personal belief is that the drugs were slipped into the bag in Bali prior to the boogie bag making it to the pickup area... and the police knew in advance.

Nev

I wondered that too but the problem with that theory is that it's too much. Why put 4kg up when a quarter of that would produce pretty well the same result? Especially as you're probably not going to see it again.

Which further begs the question, why would a young girl lug such a large and bulky amount of drugs around? I've always thought one of the keys to this whole travesty was the shear physical size and weight of the drugs. Next time your in a supermarket pick up 4 bags of sugar.

Like so much of this sad saga it just doesn't make sense.

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